Reply to Bryan – What to Wear in Subzero Climate

by 雪芬 shirls on December 10, 2008 · 0 comments

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winter wear in Canada

winter wear in Canada

Bryan left the following message in my previous post :

I am going to Harbin end of this year. I believe it will be minus 15 Degree during the day.Since I am not living in Subzero Climate for long period, I just bought a Winter Jacket, not those ultra warm type though, but for active sports, where we partially keep ourselves warm while exercising in the cold weather. I think it might not be enough to fend off the cold there.

How many layers of clothing you wear to protect yourself from the cold?

My idea:
1st Under Thermal (Long John shirt and pants)
2nd Long Sleeve T-Shirt
3rd Wool Sweater
4th Thin Down Jacket
5th Wind & Waterproof outer jacket

Ear Warmer
Gloves
Head Warmer?

Wish me luck! ”

Hey Bryan,

I went online to check the weather in Harbin, yup, it is already around minus 5 to 15 degree during the day !! And currently, the wind gust is around 4-15 mph (6-23 km/h), which is quite strong if you are walking on the streets, especially in wind tunnel (like between tall buildings). So, you have to be quite prepared, especially people like us, who are brought up in tropical weather.

Looking at your 5 layers clothing sandwich, I think you will be fine for the minus 15. However, it depends on the quality of your down jacket and the water/windproof  jacket. It makes all the difference !

windproof jacket with face cover

windproof jacket with chin flaps

Not sure what kind of quality you will get in Malaysia. So, whatever you buy, check the quality properly, or buy trusted brands.  There are hell lots of things to consider for good down or windproof jackets. I am not going to go to the details here and you only go there for a short trip. Just some simple things you should look for. For example, for down jacket, check exactly what the down filling is (make sure is not synthetic) and its fill power (how dense they pack the down/feather); for water/windproof jacket, check the construction of the jacket (how well the jacket is ‘sealed’), fabric lining etc.

I have a windproof jacket that have two ‘flaps’ on my face area (left picture), so when the wind blow fiercely, I can cover half my face, and only leave the eyes out. But I rarely wear it because I think it is very ugly ! Haahaa….do I scare you though? I hope you don’t need those things anyway ! It depends if you are a person who afraid of cold. I need those because I can’t stand cool weather !

Ok, now let’s talk about other accessories.

(1) Gloves – yup, you need a good pair of gloves ! Best is wool or windproof gloves.

(2) Hat/Head Warmer - you definitely need a very good hat/head warmer. Generally, about 30% of body heat lose through our heads, it is quite a significant amount. If you cover your head (especially forehead) properly, you surely will feel warmer. Tips : Don’t buy knit hat, because wind can blow through it easily. Buy wool one,. If you like knit, buy those have an inner (wool) layer.

(3) Ear warmer – If you have a hat that also can cover your ears, I don’t think you need ear warmer.

(4) Sock – Your feet and toes !! You don’t want to have cool feet and toes when you are outside, especially if you have to walk on the snow. Also, most time I dress my body properly, but forget my legs. So,  your under thermal pants will be very helpful. Tips : alternatively, buy very good wool knee length socks. They help me heaps when I don’t feel like wearing my old-lady-like thermal pants ;)

(5) Boot - Very important especially when snowing heavily and have snow/ice accumulation on the ground. A good pair of boot prevent slips.  My boot is knee length, with fur inside, strong rubber sole with deep treads. Of course, it depends how much walking you have to do, otherwise, normal boot should be ok. Tips : Walk on snow-muddy ground, instead of the ‘shiny’ icy ground, which is extremely slippery, unless you like to roller skating ;)

(6) Scarf – Depend on the design of your jacket or if you have turtle neck top. I feel much warmer when my neck is warm, and it prevents cool wind slips inside your body through the neck opening. Tips : When I don’t wear my ugly windproof jacket with the ‘flaps’, I like to wear very large thick scarf. So, I not only use it to cover my neck, I use it to cover half my face when I have to walk against wind gust.

multiples layers and a down jacket

multiple layers and a down jacket

For this photo, I think it was taken on a day of around minus 5-8 degree or so. With the hat, an under thermal, a turtle neck (white), a 200 fleece (blue), and a medium fill power down jacket ( filling : 50% down/50% feathers), I was able to pose for photo with a smile ;)

I hope the above information helps. Shoot me more questions if you still not sure.

Haahaaa… I have too much fun here. I better go back to study for my exam !!! :(

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yih loong 10 Dec 2008 at 1:15 pm

haha.. i think i m kinda “犯贱”, i miss winter, though i never experience -5 degree and below back in oklahoma if i m not mistaken….. but still i miss winter..

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Bryan Pek 14 Dec 2008 at 1:03 pm

Thank your very much Shirley for sharing your tips and experience.

I am going to get the wool beanie hat for my head today. And also the Wool Sox. And some chemical warmer pack.

My jacket is by a reputable brand NorthFace, should be no problem.

I heard that for our Cameras, we need to keep it warm or else it won’t work in the cold.

2 weeks later I will be in Harbin, this time I go to China for Register of Marriage and trip with my family. Before I go Harbin, will go to Zhang Jia Jie. Hope to take lots and lots of Pictures.

By the way, can you detach your Chin Flaps from your WindProof Jacket?

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shirls 雪芬 15 Dec 2008 at 3:54 am

Wow !!! Congrats congrats !!! So happy for you !!! So, I guess after the registration of marriage, she will be moving to Malaysia soon? Wish you a very happy marriage till hair grey and white :)
Chemical warmer pack? What is it?

Northface jacket will have no problem at all.

Yup, cameras have to be kept in your pockets, only take it out when you use it. Don’t carry it out in the cold. Otherwise, won’t work.

Chin flaps of my jacket can be detached if I detach the hook.

Have a wonderful trip ! Once again, congrats on this new stage of life !

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Jasin 15 Dec 2008 at 5:35 pm

Do you feel lazy to go out or testing new clothes in your shopping during winter ?

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shirls 雪芬 16 Dec 2008 at 2:17 am

I absolutely just don’t want to go out ! Go out is no choice or get too bored at home ;)

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Anonymous 16 Dec 2008 at 6:26 pm

thanks… an accidental good reference for me as I am also heading… up north to Lhasa… this Sat..
wonder why I make such decision when it’s 18degree here in hk versus the -6 to 10degree in Lhasa.. eventhough it’s sunny in both places…
:)

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shirls 雪芬 17 Dec 2008 at 1:23 am

Ah !! Lhasa !! Wish you a wonderful trip. Do yo go with tour group or backpacking?

I had been there backpacking before about 4 years ago. When I was there, winter was just over, so it was durable for me. Hope you will cope well with the subzeros, especially when it is so cold plus the high altitude.

I had high altitude symptoms when I was there. So, hope you will give yourself enough time to acclimatise the high altitude. Drink lots of water, and rest well.

I wrote a post a while back but never got the chance to complete. If you are interested, here is the link :
http://shirls.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/monday-my-travel-day-trip-to-the-roof-of-the-world%E2%80%99/

Feel free to ask me any questions about backpacking in Lhasa. I don’t know the place too well because it was only a very short trip. Yet, I think I can give some backpacking trips :)

Have fun and enjoy in Lhasa ! :)

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DSvT 17 Dec 2008 at 4:24 pm

Looks like so cold o~

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bryan.shiro 12 Jan 2009 at 9:31 pm

Just came back to Singapore one week ago.

Ironically, I had sore throat and feverish heaty cough, not from the -20C of the harbin coldness, but the heat from the hotel heater in Harbin. I forgot to left the window a tiny slit opened to let some cool air in.

Well, i have braved the -25C Coldness of Harbin… maybe next challenge will be the -40C of Canada or Moscow?

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shirls 雪芬 11 Dec 2008 at 1:30 am

haha…well, human nature, when you don’t have it, you miss it ; when you have it, you don’t like it. The first year I came, I love winter, esp the snowstorm ;) It was a cool adventure for me. But now, umm….. getting out of the house when is so cold and windy outside, is tough…

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shirls 雪芬 18 Dec 2008 at 2:53 am

heehee….it feels really cool too …

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shirls 雪芬 13 Jan 2009 at 4:39 am

yeah, during this sort of extreme weather, cold can commonly come from ‘inconsistent’ temperature. Outside -20, inside 25 ! :)
Wish you recover soon !

And, welcome to Canada if want to experience -40C ;) But you can go your own to the north of Canada, I will stay in Toronto for the -20C and make you a warm tea to welcome you when you return from the north ;)

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